The humble Mr. Brisby...

This thought has not been in my head for long so please bare with me. I just want to get this out in the open while it's still fresh in my mind.

Like the vast majority of us, I cannot stand NIMH 2 for many, many reasons. Though thankfully I can still watch it (though I do have to be really rather bored.) Reflecting on it as a whole I realised something I didn't before:

I really cannot stand the overly hyped reverence the rats have towards Johnathon in NIMH 2. Now, I'm not saying that I think he is altogether unimportant. Far from it. The thing that annoys me is that between films he seems to go from a fallen comrade to almost someone of myth and legand...almost.

Yes, from the films we know that his unlocking of the door saved everyone. His name is remembered fondly by many (if not all) of the rats. I can understand there being a little memorial for him but not a huge wooden statue, a massive portate and a song reflecting his greatness.

I do like what I have seen and read of his character. I aknowledge that we most likely haven't heard about everything he has done with the rats

Thoughts?

Jam-

I take it as granted (as do Paul S. Gibbs' fanfics) that Jonathan Brisby was a key architect of The Plan. Also, there's a fair bit of time during the Rats' wandering years that is relatively unaccounted for. Pretty much anything could've happened during that period.

But yeah, statues and songs do seem a bit pretentious, if not completely silly. Then again, this is NIMH 2 we're talking about. That abomination's take on pretty much everything good from the first film is pure suck.

I found it funny that in NIMH 2 Jon was treated like the messiah, he has his own golden statute, and his son is treated like the chosen one (or the Kwisatz Haderach).
In the first film Jon is of course remembered dearly by Nicodemus in the opening narration. But it was no way near worship status. Jonathan was a friend and colleague who died helping his friends when he could've chosen not to be involved due to the fact that he had family now.
In the second film you would've thought Jonathan parted the Red Sea :D

I told myself that I would post more often on here and I'm going to hold myself to that!

When all else failes rip into NIMH 2!

Reflecting now on a different Mr. Brisby, I now move on to talk about about the main hero and victom(s) of Johnathon's apparent worship. Timmothy (and to some extent Martin.)

From early on in the film we see Timmy being influenced by the overblown reverence people have for his father. Now, I liked him in the books; young, inquisitive, observent etc. Open to evey avenue oof oppertunity and always willing to leand a paw to those in need. Yet here at some point his outlook seems to have given way to the wieght of others expectations. This in turn appears to me to have encouraged him to become a little bit intimidated by his fathers latent shadow.

Martin on the other hand, looks to have taken his father's legacy to heart - "Others try, Brisbys do!" This, while still a bit tragic, doesn't quite feel like such a drastic shift in character motivations for me.

Another thing that annoys me. Why? Why aren't all the Brisby's with the rats?

You know what I found most galling about NIMH 2? Not just the fact that Jonathan was regarded with such reverence, but that Mrs. Brisby wasn't honored with so much as the smallest acknowledgement that she saved all their skins! Where's her statue? Also the fact that she barely had a part at all!

You know what I found most galling about NIMH 2? Not just the fact that Jonathan was regarded with such reverence, but that Mrs. Brisby wasn't honored with so much as the smallest acknowledgement that she saved all their skins! Where's her statue? Also the fact that she barely had a part at all!

Seconded, Mrs. Brisby will always be one of my utmost favourite animated characters. Whenever I think odf Nimh 2 I will never forget such a betrayal of a character.

In a way I suppose it is as bad as (if not worse) then killing a character off in some contrived manner.

You know what I found most galling about NIMH 2? Not just the fact that Jonathan was regarded with such reverence, but that Mrs. Brisby wasn't honored with so much as the smallest acknowledgement that she saved all their skins! Where's her statue? Also the fact that she barely had a part at all!

Exactly as I thought, I always found it funny that the rats never mentioned Mrs.Brisby considering that she preformed a near-maricle near the end of the first film.

Glad you agree, Jam & Alucard5200. I guess if there's anything good to say about NIMH 2 it's that Timothy (even an inferior version) was given the spotlight. I'd like to amend slightly what I said about Jonathan before nothing at all against the character, quite the contrary. I had a fascination with him early on that became the impetus for creating my own fanfiction. Incidentally, I always favored the spelling of his name from Nicodemus's journal, with the extra "h".

You know what I found most galling about NIMH 2? Not just the fact that Jonathan was regarded with such reverence, but that Mrs. Brisby wasn't honored with so much as the smallest acknowledgement that she saved all their skins! Where's her statue? Also the fact that she barely had a part at all!

Exactly as I thought, I always found it funny that the rats never mentioned Mrs.Brisby considering that she preformed a near-maricle near the end of the first film.

Indeed I must agree, Not only did Mrs Brisby escape form the cage to warn the rats of their doom if they stayed but to top that off she saved her young ones and house by a power unknown to them, Heck in the movie it looked like they were bowing to this power that she had.

I made a joke topic about NIMH 2 that explains the fact that if you view someone as a prophet and said prophet declares thus-and-so a savior, then thus-and-so is revered as a savior with no questions asked....This is how most religions start. People are willing to believe anything if the person saying it is called a prophet. Nicodemus had magic powers and hindsight, so he must be a prophet!

I also joke that Nicodemus' interpretation was misread, as is the case in most religions.

I made a joke topic about NIMH 2 that explains the fact that if you view someone as a prophet and said prophet declares thus-and-so a savior, then thus-and-so is revered as a savior with no questions asked....This is how most religions start. People are willing to believe anything if the person saying it is called a prophet. Nicodemus had magic powers and hindsight, so he must be a prophet!

I also joke that Nicodemus' interpretation was misread, as is the case in most religions.

So in Timmy to the Rescue (I don't think the movie deserved to have Secret of NIMH in its title), the Rats are Jonathannites? Fascinating. Jonathan opens a cage, and he's worshiped by the rats. Mrs. Brisby performs a miracle, and she's practically forgotten. What's funny is that much of the world is like this: turning a blind eye to miracles and idolizing something else.

I actually made a topic not too long ago addressing the plot of NIMH 2. I think it's simply called "I love NIMH 2." Personally, I believe nobody should be remembered with that much reverence even if they did do a heroic deed.

He did allow the rat community to be started in the first place. He allowed the rats to mate, to learn, among other things. Not to mention the fact that he gave up his life to help them. To me, and I know I'll get beaten up for this, that's much more important than saving them from potential doom, but still.

Maybe Mrs. Brisby's statue has yet to be picked up from Walmart...you can always use that as an excuse to account for her being left out.

I actually made a topic not too long ago addressing the plot of NIMH 2. I think it's simply called "I love NIMH 2." Personally, I believe nobody should be remembered with that much reverence even if they did do a heroic deed.

He did allow the rat community to be started in the first place. He allowed the rats to mate, to learn, among other things. Not to mention the fact that he gave up his life to help them. To me, and I know I'll get beaten up for this, that's much more important than saving them from potential doom, but still.

Maybe Mrs. Brisby's statue has yet to be picked up from Walmart...you can always use that as an excuse to account for her being left out.

Well, they certainly found the time to pick up Timmy's. :? Perhaps Mrs. Brisby's statue was backordered or something.

Or maybe, since the Rats of NIMH are basically the equivalent of 18th century humans, they haven't yet learned to respect woman yet. Woman are simply viewed as child-bearers.

That would explain why none of the female Rats of NIMH got a word in edgewise in the first movie.

They were to busy in the kitchen making samitches. lolz

In the Secret of NIMH 3, it's revealed that Timmy is actually a female, and thus has her statue knocked down. Turns out that all his whining during NIMH 2 was due to PMS.

In the Secret of NIMH 3, it's revealed that Timmy is actually a female, and thus has her statue knocked down. Turns out that all his whining during NIMH 2 was due to PMS.

The Secret of NIMH 3 that occurs in the Timmy to the Rescue Universe, that is. :P I wonder if Jenny would still like Timmy... Eww.

Steven

In the Secret of NIMH 3, it's revealed that Timmy is actually a female, and thus has her statue knocked down. Turns out that all his whining during NIMH 2 was due to PMS.

The Secret of NIMH 3 that occurs in the Timmy to the Rescue Universe, that is. :P I wonder if Jenny would still like Timmy... Eww.

Steven

Turns out Jenny was a transvestite, which would explain the prosthetic breasts. He now has a statue right next to Jonathan's. The children he and Timmy have together grow up to be pimps and hookers.

In the Secret of NIMH 3, it's revealed that Timmy is actually a female, and thus has her statue knocked down. Turns out that all his whining during NIMH 2 was due to PMS.

The Secret of NIMH 3 that occurs in the Timmy to the Rescue Universe, that is. :P I wonder if Jenny would still like Timmy... Eww.

Steven

Turns out Jenny was a transvestite, which would explain the prosthetic breasts. He now has a statue right next to Jonathan's. The children he and Timmy have together grow up to be pimps and hookers.

And then Timothy wakes up from his fevered dream, begging his mother for more medicine. Mrs. Brisby complies, but only if he apologizes for dreaming about her being old. :P

Turns out Mr. Ages' thresher machine is actually a meth lab and Timmy dies of an overdose.

Makes sense really, the Secret of NIMH 2 was just Timmy's meth fantasy.

Turns out Mr. Ages' thresher machine is actually a meth lab and Timmy dies of an overdose.

Makes sense really, the Secret of NIMH 2 was just Timmy's meth fantasy.

The truth, nice to hear, no wonder I have had to use a mind stimulate just to watch it only one time :shock: