9-11

remember the twin towers thought it would be a good subject. please respond. :D

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Ah yes...9-11-2001. The day America began to fall from a once-great country to a total mess. The day my life made a change for the worse (as did those of millions). The worst terrorist attack since Pearl Harbor still burns in our minds.

Terrorists...just leave us alone for once. :evil:

Ah yes...9-11-2001. The day America began to fall from a once-great country to a total mess. The day my life made a change for the worse (as did those of millions). The worst terrorist attack since Pearl Harbor still burns in our minds.

Terrorists...just leave us alone for once. :evil:

Pearl Harbor was not a terrorist attack. It was an act of war by another developed nation, targeted against military.

Maybe, but my parents see it as a different type of terrorist attack. It was a planned, unprovoked attack on U.S. soil that killed citizens (even if said citizens were on military service at the time).

And that is exactly what a terrorist attack is.

Maybe, but my parents see it as a different type of terrorist attack. It was a planned, unprovoked attack on U.S. soil that killed citizens (even if said citizens were on military service at the time).

And that is exactly what a terrorist attack is.

If the United States did not cut their oil supply off, then they wouldn't have done so. They had valid reasons as the country imports 99% of its natural resources. And, it wasn't exactly unprovoked. There are more reasons than what I said. The US set itself up as a military target. Roosevelt wanted it to happen, and knew it would happen, as the government had one of the Magic Translation Devices (similar to the Enigma Translation Devices for German) but did nothing about it so it could be used as an excuse to enter the war.

By technicality, it is an act of war as its primary directive was disabling military forces and not to target civilians.

Pearl Harbor wasn't the only target they attacked on Dec 7, either. The Japanese also went after the Dutch East Indies on the same day. So, in ways, it was also a wartime diversion.

Let's not get nitpicky here. Both of them were tragedies, regardless of who the targets were and what their purpose was. Call it a military act, call it terrorism, call it whatever, but they both involved the death of people who probably didn't deserve it.

I'm not saying I agree with calling Pearl Harbor "terrorism"--that particular word is too overused and oversimplifying nowadays--but tragedy is accurate no matter who you are.

I also think that, yes, we should remember these tragedies and learn from them in order to prevent them from happening again, but we should also not use them as an excuse to live in a state of fear and hatred. Yoda was right about that; it leads to suffering (and, I would venture to add, on both sides). Fearful and hateful people are easily manipulated and there's already far too much of all of that in the world already.

Amen to all that. I heard some Arab-American school (for teaching Arab culture) is facing a lot of controversy.
Why? Because some people think it is a terrorist training camp. And they ended up getting a Jewish principal because their primary choice was Arab-American (ahhh!!! Evil person alert).

This whole fear issue is destroying the great country that was once the USA. They say we are winning this war, and yet we are bending to the will of the 'enemy' by giving in to the fear they are trying to instill in us.
We may be making progress in the Middle East, but the other side is still winning.

I've heard about that school. I honestly don't see what the issue is. Terrorists come in more races than one. Honestly, I'd like to see an Arab-American school.

As for a side 'winning'. I believe both are losing, and neither is winning.

Just a side note, but over half of America wakes up every morning and drinks coffee--without even realizing that coffee (as a drink) was invented by Arabs. So, if that half of America realizes this, will they quit drinking it and refer to it as Maniacal Moccha, or Caffinated Jihad like people started to do with French Fries, and calling them "Freedom Fries"?
A good a mount of our coffee still comes from Yemen.

To be honest, I'd be all for learning about the Arab culture. When will Americans grow up?

Almost makes me wonder if Green Day was on to something with American Idiot.

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I remember, but this early morning I would like to look for the good that did come. I don't mean on a large scale really, but it was something large for me.

As a result of these attacks I met one of my still good friends John Kirby, whom I havent seen in over a year due to his enlistment, He moved to my little town with his family to get away from the memory and tragedy that they experienced in the big Apple.

I mourn his losses, but am thankfull for his friendship.

In all there is good: sometimes you must look harder than others:
BW

To be honest, I'd be all for learning about the Arab culture. When will Americans grow up?

Almost makes me wonder if Green Day was on to something with American Idiot.

Until someone reminds them of what it means to be American, though I do have to note that Iran is not Arabic. They hate being called Arabic because they are Persian.

why do we fight is it nature to spread our hate
or is it we cry out for revenge and pretend it is justice
is it fate. that we should go on this plight
let us try for peace raise your voice to end this injustice
fear that holds us back will no longer chain me in bondage of hate
for I choose my own fate and will feel the pain of those hurt by fear
to those who hate I give you my tears I cry out to you my hearts desire
holding onto loves true fire and I ask those who will to stand by my side
and pick up a different fight the fight for all the one for freedom
for this plight is not won by force
but by your hearts and voice.
though you may defend freedom from those who wish to take it
never take anothers for we are all brothers together we stand
apart we fall so let us band together.
stand together like brother should. and soon the walls
that once seperated us all will be no more and love will win for sure.

I made a poem hope you like it if you don't be nice bout telling me please n.n I am no poet remember

I'm not saying I agree with calling Pearl Harbor "terrorism"--that particular word is too overused and oversimplifying nowadays--but tragedy is accurate no matter who you are.

My history teacher would tell me that "terrorism (or terrorist)" is the word this day and age that is used to define the people that freaks people out. He would also tell me how there's always been one depending on the age in history. A while back, it was "Communist."

History classes have taught me that these things occur from a matter of perspective and differences. Unfortunately not every human being today accepts these differences. Take the Civil War, my teacher told me that although slavery was obviously part of it, it's not just that. I feel that it also started from the long term effects of the environment, which led to a difference in the speed of technological advancement between the North and the South, hence the necessity of slavery changing (from what I learned).

It's funny 'cause this can be tied to the novel and (although not as deeply) to the film. (Note that I've posted a topic that relates to this idea before but I think it's worth talking about again). Although Jenner's views about the colony and where it should go revolves more on a personal level than his experience or anything historical, his idea that the rats of NIMH should take advantage of human creation did seem to be his argument, while Nicodemus and Justin views the issue in a much more moral sense that simply, stealing from humans is still bad.

Who knows? I mean in the novel Jenner's group split from the others. I find that similar to what history has shown. Maybe a war might have actually started if things went wrong.

In conclusion, "matters of opinion" is nothing to ignore...

I remember 9/11. I was watching the news, and in the middle of a commercial, the news about it came on. I called my friends and told them all to watch the news.