So many CG movies!!! AAHH!!!

I have noticed a slow trend over the subsequent years since Toy Story in 1995 that over time the amount of computer movies released has increased in frequency, but now that trend has just skyrocketed exponentially. This year I am shocked at what an overwhelming number of CG movies almost every studio is coming out with.

...and frankly, I could care less.

...I used to be impressed at how much they advanced in realism with each one, like the innovation of animated hair in Monsters Inc., the innovation of realistic fluid mechanics of water in Finding Nemo, but by now they've pretty much already mastered the look of everything, and I find myself no longer impressed anymore. Now that they "ooh!" factor has faded, each new movie is becoming more and more mediocre and tiring. It seems now that they're already running out of ideas, despite the endless creative possibilities of CG technology, and I'm seeing alot of recurring storylines and ideas in more and more of them. I mean, for god sakes, they're coming out with another movie about ants???

The character Aslan in Chronicles of Narnia was a monumental feat, but I already found myself not even noticing that anymore as I watched the movie. "Hey, there's a talking lion in that movie that looks just like what a talking lion would look like in real life if that kind of thing was real... ....meh."

They've mastered animating hair now, and that is why we have recently seen the release of so many cute fuzzy animal movies. That is something they've probably wanted to do all along, because everyone loves fuzzy animals, but it took until now for them to master the graphical and computational capacity to compute such complex models of millions of tiny fuzzy hairs.

...Anyone notice that they're coming out with way more CG animated movies now than they ever did with traditional animation?

Here's a list of the CG movies I've seen trailers for, anyone know of any more please add to the list:

-ratattouille
-monster house
-open season
-ant bully
-Meet the Robinsons
-Flushed Away

...that's six, all set just for this year, and that's not including the ones that have already been released, a list which, to my knowledge includes:

-Doogal (WTF???)
-Over the Hedge (I thought it was allright)
-Cars (I actually really liked this one, and would say that so far it is Pixar's best work to date)

I liked those two movies that I've seen, but none of the other movies that I've heard about sound very good at all and I really don't have much of an interest in seeing any of them.

...okay, that's nine in all I can think of.

...so, in conclusion, I think the exponential popularity and success of CG movies is sure to plummet now that it has obviously become so commonplace and cheap for companies to produce.

...Isn't it sad that company studios are so fastidiously pumping out so many CG movies, but there hasn't been a single traditional animated movie released in theatres in over years? None are currently in the works either...

I guess the age of true animation truly is dead and gone. :(

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I have noticed a slow trend over the subsequent years since Toy Story in 1995 that over time the amount of computer movies released has increased in frequency, but now that trend has just skyrocketed exponentially. This year I am shocked at what an overwhelming number of CG movies almost every studio is coming out with.

...and frankly, I could care less.

...I used to be impressed at how much they advanced in realism with each one, like the innovation of animated hair in Monsters Inc., the innovation of realistic fluid mechanics of water in Finding Nemo, but by now they've pretty much already mastered the look of everything, and I find myself no longer impressed anymore. Now that they "ooh!" factor has faded, each new movie is becoming more and more mediocre and tiring. It seems now that they're already running out of ideas, despite the endless creative possibilities of CG technology, and I'm seeing alot of recurring storylines and ideas in more and more of them. I mean, for god sakes, they're coming out with another movie about ants???

Well I do agree that CG movies have gained a popular response amongst designers and audiences alike, and the fact that quite a few have had similar story-lines to previous movies, but I think movies should be judged when we actually see for ourselves for what they are when they are released instead of relying on teaser trailers to tell the whole story and outcome of the project for us.

I mean sure you should come up with new ideas for a production, but it is how they are played and written that makes a movie good, not what kind of genre it is or how many times it's been done before. After all, everybody needs an inspiration, why not pick up an old idea and try to make it better with your own ideas? After Star Wars came out it spawned other shows such as Battlestar Galactica, which has has been a cult classic since it's debut. Not to mention the adaptation stories used in comic-to-movie productions such as Batman, Sin City, Spiderman, and the Superman saga.

As long as it has a good on the "inside" and not on the "outside" what exactly is the problem? It's best not to put everything in the 'same boat' just because it happens to be on popular style of animation. I mean if we're going to talk about appearances, shouldn't we complain about there being too many live-action films than animated films?

They've mastered animating hair now, and that is why we have recently seen the release of so many cute fuzzy animal movies. That is something they've probably wanted to do all along, because everyone loves fuzzy animals, but it took until now for them to master the graphical and computational capacity to compute such complex models of millions of tiny fuzzy hairs.

I'm sure there's more work they put into them besides animating "fuzzy hairs" in furry animal-themed productions, Grizzly. What about the backgrounds, the character designs, and the atmosphere? Did you see the New York layouts in Madagascar during the 'escape' scene, they looked almost real. And though the movie wasn't exactly the best with characters design, it made me laugh and get into the emotional part of the story.

...so, in conclusion, I think the exponential popularity and success of CG movies is sure to plummet now that it has obviously become so commonplace and cheap for companies to produce.

...Isn't it sad that company studios are so fastidiously pumping out so many CG movies, but there hasn't been a single traditional animated movie released in theatres in over years? None are currently in the works either...
I guess the age of true animation truly is dead and gone. :(

Again, why are we judging movies simply on popularity and genre instead of looking at the story, inner contents, and the hard work that was made into putting it together?Do we simply watch 'traditional animation' just because it looks good and nothing more or perhaps it is because of how well they fair in story and manage to entertain us while being animated at the same time.

A movie that gets recognition from just 'visual quality' alone is nothing more than 'eye-candy' and is hardly any entertainment at all. When I go to see a movie, I'm not only looking to see how well it is animated(or in what form), I'm also looking for a good story and whatever it is made for such as comedy, drama, or whatever category it's trying to fall into.

Four hours have gone by and still no replies??? COME ON PEOPLE!!! I know this forum can't be that dead... :?

Patience grasshopper, people will reply when they are ready. :)

As an artist who uses only traditional media, i feel sometimes like using computers is kind of cheating ;) (That being said, i can't draw worth dirt on computers, so i shouldn't judge XD ...and i admire anyone who can make computer art look great.) But anyhow, i think well-done animation has a look to it that CG movies lack. Animation looks alive and fluid, but even the best CG always seems somewhat restrained and unnatural...mechanical, perhaps. And yeah, it's sad to see no one's really doing animation anymore. i suppose the trade-off is being able to make movies more quickly and easily, but why do people always have to do things the fast cheap way every time? :\

Thanks, everyone. I enjoy your input. Even the one posted outside this thread accidentally (I do that alot on this forum too... it's confusing)

I have to say, that all of you make good points. I definitely agree with Maxe's point that the style doesn't really matter that much, as long as it is a good story. But you have to admit, pretty pictures do help alot. I do enjoy the vivid realism and incredible lifelike effects of CG, but I also miss the smooth, artistic feel and movement of traditional animation.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, another title I forgot to add to the list--

Happy Feet!

So here's the full list:

-Happy Feet
-Ratattouille
-Monster house
-Open season
-Ant bully
-Meet the Robinsons
-Flushed Away

SEVEN more to come out this year.

Good post and good points here, Being mostly a "classical" animation fan due to my age, I have enjoyed some CG works, The "Incredibles" to me was a great story and the CG animation and action was in par.

I agree the story is foundation for that a animated movie of any kind will stand or fall, (anyone remember "Final Fantasy" awesome CG but the the story lacked and I`ve played the FF games and still was dishearted).

In old times before film and such, a story teller had his hands full, He had to bring to light a story and hope to make a visual image in the minds of those who heard, today we have animaters to help bring any (If even a old story) to life, Two art forms are at work today, One the art of great stories and the other the art of animation, once both are twain and mesh together beautifuly then a classic is born ie.., "The Secert of NIMH".

I my self am not against CG animation, but thru the years have found it to be and look the same as the others in the same field, It seems if I see one CG animation I`ve seen them all.

But to be fair there is junk on both sides, And greats, to me my fav. classic drawn movie is "The Secret of MINH" and CG "The Incredibles".

This new way of aninimation I feel should not be the death of the old, and I hope the classic style in america returns soon.

Hi, just did some more digging, and found to my amazement several more CG animated movies in the works. These, however, I believe probably won't be coming out until much, much later, around 2007 and even 2008, only just recently revealed at a New York Licensing show. It's really cool to hear about stuff like this so early on, it's almost like hearing early forewarning prophecies of the future, eh?

Kung Fu Panda (dreamworks 2008)
Bee Movie (dreamworks 2007)
Faeries (Disney 2008)
Where the Wild Things Are (Warner Bros. 2008)

...I havn't heard of any traditional animated movies in the works yet.

there are many types of cg in my opinion i had come up with a good system on judging a cg movie some of the levels include action based cg crappy based cg and artistic cg. action based cg is cg used for a cheap thrill. it is cg that adds flashy affects to a movie. the problem with these movies is you only see them for there cg affects not for how well it goess with the story. the next crappy based cg is where the movie just totally stinks and there is just no fixing it the cg is not well done the storie line is awfull and so forth. an artistic cg is my best rating where the movie has beautiful cg graphics that go well with a great storyline. no cg movie has reached that level as of yet. of course there are several more levels but three should suffice for now

I would tend to agree with everything that Maxx stated in his reply. When I go to a movie, I tend to be more interested in plot developement & character design rather than the genre. In fact, just to give an example, when I saw Disney's "Home on the Range" I thought at the time that this was one of poorest excuses for traditional animation. The plot was lame at best and the overall quality of the animation was in my opinion, not much better than what you could see on a Saturday morning. On the other hand "Finding Nemo" to me represents an excellent piece of work especially in terms of character design & plot developement. As Maxx says; "Don't judge a movie by just the teaser you see in the theatre or by the genre". See the movie first, then make up your mind.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, another title I forgot to add to the list--

Happy Feet!

So here's the full list:

-Happy Feet
-Ratattouille
-Monster house
-Open season
-Ant bully
-Meet the Robinsons
-Flushed Away

SEVEN more to come out this year.

Out of all those movies, I only saw the Happy Feet, Monster House, and the ant bully's trailers. But I don't remember seeing Ratattouille, Open Season, Meet the Robinsons, nor Flushed Away's trailers.

For a more comprehensive list of features coming soon, take a look at: http://www.keyframeonline.com/Animated/Coming_Soon/All/0/

Thanks for showing us that Simon!

Guess I should here also post my opinion ...(liarghli I should visit the forum generally more often ...)

..., well, I'm more a fan of the traditional animated movies, maybe because I'm an artist, and ever draw in "2D" ;) Don't know it exactly.
But, however, I don't have anything against CG movies, or, I didn't have anything against them. - Looking at this long list of coming films, and the latest CG - movies, which came into the cinemas, in a meantime to the each other of ... almost two months, I can say, that I'm not really a fan of them?
Somehow it gets annoying, especially because there's no new material, I cannot see a new story anywhere. It's every time the same boring old story, already picked up in traditional animated films, and other CG-movies. I don't know, do all the makers of those movies think, that everybody will forget the boring stories and the flat characters, which are involved, just because the animation of fur and environment is good?

But, I also have to admit, there are some good stories, and very well done movies. I liked "Finding Nemo", or "A bug's life", but these new movies in this genre are pretty crappy in my opinion. - At least, they are not alone. Also the latest Disney-production were boring and flat ...

Hmm, one note at the end of my post:
The traditional animated movies seem to be dead already. But maybe they need this pause, to let the people know that even a new genre isn't so good, and to pick up some new material and new stories ;)
Hope this way to animate will come back, even better than before.

PS: Thanks Simon for the links! n.n

Actually, it sounds like Disney, under Lasseter, is giving directors the option of doing traditional 2D animation once again, should they choose to. There's already one production in the works: http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID510530.asp

And here's where I reveal my utter lack of concern for whether movies are hand-animated or CGI. :)

It's about the plot, the characters, the dialogue, and what passes for action. Those are the important things, not the style the cartoon was made in.

Still, after having recently watched a smattering of old animated Disney flicks from days gone by, I will say I wish there were actually some 2D cartoons coming out in the near future. :)

Oh, and as far as plots are concerned...where is everyone coming up with this, "Bah, it's the same old thing" argument? Of course they recycle plots, but they generally throw in enough twists that it shouldn't matter that it's a story that's been told. "Dinosaur", for example, was "Land Before Time" with a few twists--notably, that the plot for "Dinosaur" was better. ;) The movie people know what kinds of stories sell well to parents and their little kids. The fact that there are those of us in high school and college or grad school who still enjoy cartoons doesn't really factor into their calculations. As the saying goes, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

You want to talk about craptacular piles of steaming poo coming out of Hollywood? Start talking about the re-makes of bad old movies that keep coming out, such as "Poseidon"... :)

~Kieran

Kieran, you said poo :lol: ,

I agree with your note on story, plot, and such, if they lack, then who would see or read it. I tend to think that in our modern times, animation and super story are two great taste that taste great together, I think that the animators would love to help bring a great story to the fullness of life and do the best job as they can, given that at times the company will only let them do so much.
If you are going to animate a awesome story do it right and make the visual side just as "awesome" and "beautiful".

I work at Edwards Air Force Base Flight Test Center and our motto is, " If it ain`t broke, it can be improved"

I know the hash of poo you speak of, bad remakes of Scooby Doo and Bullwinkle, I could go on,, you spoke of that remake "Poseidon", that brought me back when I saw the first movie, I was a teenager and had no money so when we went to the drive-in to see it in 1973 I had to hide in the trunk of my friend`s car just to sneak in with out paying :lol: ,

I have not seen this remake yet, but I bet I will hate it.

Dang it, I said poo too :?

-Shakes head- This subject has been talked about in huge detail in the animation industry. For example Eisner's comment about 2d being dead and pointing to the half hearted "Treasure planet" as example. Problem was its not the technique thats was wrong ,its the story! If that was case Dinosaur would have been a blockbuster.

The exec's think " Its 3d Computer for the family. It will sell" Everyone else says"... only if the story doesnt suck"

In terms of perfect example this logic of poo, can anyone say American "Godzilla"?

In terms of perfect example this logic of poo, can anyone say American "Godzilla"?

Yeh, I can say poo poo, that movie hit the Wal-Mart 5 dollor DVD bin like real fast, Hey I got five bucks :?

...I forgot to bring this thread back up to add another entry to the list of CG movies already released and set to be released all within this year, one that sort of surprisingly appeared then passed by and dissappeared. Here's a new complete list:

-Everyone's Hero (Whoopie Goldberg is the voice of a magic talking baseball bat... WHAT THE Fli&^%!!!)

-Cars
-Doogal
-Over the Hedge
-The Wild
-Happy Feet
-Ratattouille
-Monster house
-Open season
-Ant bully
-Meet the Robinsons
-Flushed Away

...so that's... what, twelve this year... and 0 traditional animated movies??? (unless you count the monkey cartoon)


...as for freakin' ones proposed for the more distant future, hell, I can't even keep track of how many there are of them, but damn, some of them sound really, really wierd... and as of yet I've only heard of maybe, at the most, ONE traditional animated movie actually slated for theatrical release.

...Do we even need to discuss Disney's continuing endless series of direct-to-video "abominanimated" movies?

by the way, my mom rented "Hoodwinked" at the video store earlier, and at first I was like "awww, now why did you rent that stupid-looking cartoon?", well, it was actually pretty fli&%ing funny. Go see it! The computer animation is the crudest I've ever seen, sub-par to the first Toy Story and Jimmy Neutron, but unlike what Michael Eisner will tell you, the look, style or even animation quality really isn't what makes a movie great. It's ebonic humor and assinine German stereotypes with very bad fake accents.

Hey Grizzly, I noticed that you've said that you haven't heard of any 2D productions lately, so I just remembered that there's a 2D animated Simpsons movie that's been in production for a couple of years.

I hate the Simpsons. But I've got Hoodwinked on DVD. It is funny with that weird woodsman. But my favorite part has got to be the singing goat (especially 'Be Prepared').

I hate the Simpsons. But I've got Hoodwinked on DVD. It is funny with that weird woodsman. But my favorite part has got to be the singing goat (especially 'Be Prepared').

Haha, yeah, that was funny. My favorite part of the whole movie is without a doubt the Schnitzel Song.

If you liked Hoodwinked because of it's stupidity, then watch Flushed Away. It's stupid, funny, and the characters are probably talking a couple octaves higher still (don't ask me to explain).

I want to see that movie!!! It looks pretty good. I LOVE the guy that does the Wallace and Gromit clay animation, and it's the same guy that made that, isn't it?

Yep, Steve Box and Nick Park are both animators, directors, and writers of this film. They've participated in all of the previous Wallace and Gromit skits and films.

The last film I saw that had any 2D animation in it was Treasure Planet and I liked it very much.

While story, plot, character development, ect are the most important aspects of an animated film, I can't help but think that 3d animation can't capture what films like NIMH presented. 3D animated films seem too bright, happy go lucky, and are full of adult/sexual humor. The characters seem to move all wrong, and nowhere near gracefully to me. I personally think its too early to be making 3-d films. The characters look too goofy and uninspiring for me to connect with. 3-D films are churrned out at an alarming pace, and are forgotten just as fast. It seems that they are just good for a quick laugh and a quick buck, and as soon as you are finished with one, youre already watching the next one.

They just don't make films like NIMH anymore. Its a harsh reality and I doubt they will make another like it in the near future. If fart jokes and simple story lines entertain the people of today, then thats what they are going to continue to make. There are some exceptions (Toy Story and Shrek are the ones that come to mind at the moment), but the majority are just copies of each other (The Wild/Madagascar, Happy Feet/Some other peguin movie thats in production right now, ect.). They just seem to can't, or dont want to, bring in the darker atmosphere like NIMH did. Id rather have a movie that stuck me in the heart and made me think, than a rehashed 3-d animation that I have seen a million times before.

Also, I guess traditional animation has a nogaslia side to it. I think a lot of people like me are just bitter and dont like change :wink: But I think if NIMH was in 3-D, It wouldnt of appealed to me like it has. It would just seem too...and forgive me for a better word..."cartoony".

On the subject of traditional animation dying, I hightly doubt that. Its just taking a big break at the moment. With people like Don Bluth, and fans like us, we will keep this magnificent art form alive till its day is back. I truly feel that way. Heck, even Disney is giving their people the option to do traditional animation again, and some are in production as we speak.

For the record, Thursday, the other penguin movie is called "Surfing." It may be "Zurfing" with a Z, I can't remember. But you are right. CG is alright, except some major flaws. The lack of new ideas and the loss of magic that comes with hand-drawn styles. Most of the traditionally animated movies done now are sequels and TV series based on other traditionally animated movies. CG isn't necessarily bad, but it is way overused. I think it should be like it was about 10 years ago, when movies were traditionally animated with some parts being computer-drawn. Please bring back our good types of animation and wait until CG has gotten its act together.
For the record, I heard a rumor that Brian Jaques is currently negotiating with Don Bluth studios to make a big-screen version of his Redwall book. I hope it works out, Don Bluth would make sure that if it is CG, it won't be the same as everything else people have been making.

I would be more tolerant of CGI movies if they didn't keep cramming them down our throats. I think a few of them are great (Shrek for example), but they make so many that it gets annoying. If they would make a traditional animated movie every now and then, I would find them more tolerable. Also some of it looks weird; I think there are just some things taht were'nt meant for 3D animation.

Enough with the farts, the groin hits, and the all around stupidity and give us some real animation. :roll:

Ah, so thats the name of that film. I was having such a hard time remembering.

I really hope Don Bluth doesn't use CGI as the main animating tool for his upcoming projects. It would kinda negate what he did back in the 70s-80s when he broke away from Disney with his maverick animators. But as long as he keeps the stupid songs out of his movies (I like Disney movies, but I really hate it when the characters would just burst into song for no reason. It never made any sense to me.), I might survive the heart attack if a CGI presentation.

Sometimes I wanna learn to draw and animate, just so I would know that atleast someone is trying to keep the traditional style alive :D

I suck at drawing. But occasionally, I get a strange urge to sketch something, anything. I mostly ignore it, but it's so weird. It's like something's telling me that I really was meant to draw. :?
But how can this be so? I can't even draw stick figures well and how many people can say that?
Still, I think if Don does CG, he won't make it as crappy as the other movies they've been churning out.

I saw Happy Feet today. For a CG movie, it wasn't that bad. It's plot wasn't a direct copy of something else, either. The characters weren't funny in the overused way (not much farting). There was a lot of music, but it generally helped the flow of the story.
The bottom line: watch it in theaters or rent it, but I wouldn't buy it on DVD.

I saw Happy Feet today. For a CG movie, it wasn't that bad. It's plot wasn't a direct copy of something else, either. The characters weren't funny in the overused way (not much farting). There was a lot of music, but it generally helped the flow of the story.
The bottom line: watch it in theaters or rent it, but I wouldn't buy it on DVD.

Well, its good to know that they are atleast trying different things. Now if they could only make more films like NIMH..instead of these happy go lucky musicals. While I like to watch happy movies, I still like to watch ones that make sad : P

I haven't been to the movies since TLK was out. I was like 7-8 then. Nearly 12-13 years ago. Yeah, I really need to go sometime. Just gotta keep waiting till they release an animated flick that Ill enjoy.

I don't think there's anything wrong with 3D animation or computer aided traditional animation. I think most of the problem is lack of quality writing backed up by a lack of attention to detail.

If you've read much of the press on Don Bluth and his vision you'll see that is a constant theme with him, pay attention to the details in the art and quality of the writing. The times he's forgotten this, usually because of time, lack of funds and/or studio oversite, his work has been less than stellar. But when he does follow it through, oh the beauty he and his studios have created.

NIMH is the best example of his top of form, I feel, but Anastasia, Titan A.E. and An American Tail, among others, are fantastic too. Some of these are fully traditional and some are traditional with some serious computer asistance.

I think the same can be said for Pixar or Dreamworks or any other studio, animation or live action.

A few comments on some of the movies mentioned by others:
Hoodwinked. I loved Hoodwinked. It was well written and while the animation was not stellar looking, it was extremely well crafted and I thought fit perfectly with the story. The first time I watched it I figured out who the bad guy was by the second incident but I was still drawn into the story and surprized by some of the twists. I don't think this would have been as good a movie done in traditional animation.

The Incredibles. Another one I loved. This I think could have been just as enjoyable in traditional style as it was in 3D. While the visuals were integral to the story they could have been pulled off in live action or traditional animation just as well.

Finding Nemo. Ok, another favorite here. This one is, in my opinion, the pinical of 3D animation. I don't think this would have been as effectively in traditional animation. A phenominal story backed up by the best attention to detail in the animation thus far in 3D.

A movie not mentioned but worth noteing is Curious George. This IS traditional animation and it is a tremendiously good movie. It's a kids movie, but I haven't had as much fun in a movie for years and years. Now, I did see it with my kids so I'm sure that helped my enjoyment, but this was a traditional animation movie that couldn't have been as good in any other format. It didn't hurt that it was totally true to the stories I remember reading as a little kid.

Ok, I've rambled on enough. Hopefully I've at least made some sense. :)

--Mav/Shiandra

I'm going to go honest. I think the Pixar movies were all good. Not as touching as SoN and other classics, but they deserve credit for ingenuity and uniqueness. Pixar incorporates a lot of new ideas in their movies.
Not many other movies feature talking toys, fish, or even families of superheroes.
But in the end, I think we can all agree that though 3D is here to stay, it isn't meant to completely replace traditional animation.

Personally I think the only good thing that's come out of Pixar in a while has been The Incredibles. Everything else has been pretty bland since Toy Story if you ask me. Cars was popular, and did great at the box office, but I don't know why. It's not particularly creative or interesting, really.

Pixar movies look great and are fun to watch, but they are hardly thought provoking. That kind of stuff just gets boring to me. I want to see something that really ignites my imagination. I haven't seen anything like that from Pixar in a long while.

I hope to God that Disney is doing traditional animation again. It seems like every studio is closing down their studios just to have CG tke over. I mean the Pixar stuff was good enough but then they made Antz. Shrek is okay too but for the love of all that's sacred, we don't need every animated film in CGI. I think the only traditional animated feature all year wasn't even traditionally animated. It was stop-motion and it was Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas in Disney Digital 3-D. Howel's Moving Castle is also a traditional animated film but it's also an ANIME. Unlike the Pokemon movies, this was out on DVD before the movie was in theaters. And it also seems that most traditional animated films are straight to video releases with a good cast but terrible storylines. This list includes Pocahontas 2, Pokemon Mewtwo Returns, The Little Mermaid 2, and of course the film we all want to forget, The Secret of NIMH 2: Timmy To The Rescue. There needs to be something done about this because, just as this subject's creater stated, I do't feel that spark of happiness when I go to see a movie anymore. And no, putting Patrick Warburton in a movie doesn't make it a hit. Having him say five lines in a really serious voice and then have him scream at the top of his lungs dies out after watching an episode of Family Guy.

SoN2 was never made. It was a conspiracy by MGM to make us think they were making more money off a good movie. Everything you've heard or seen to the contrary was a lie.

Exactly what I meant in my post.