What if the Secret of NIMH was a Japanimation cartoon?

Haha... I havn't posted a new topic in so long, and just wanted to put out a funny idea just to see what ideas you all come up with.

Have fun thinking this over... I can't wait to hear this...

I'd probably be shocked, then curious... then I'd puke really hard.

I like anime (Wolf's Rain, .Hackurl==http://=http:///url Sign, Inu Yasha, Sonic X and so on), but I have a feeling this would kind of... pervert the whole story in too many ways. The animation is just so different, the storyline really doesn't fit the style... I really don't think they're compatible.

But that's just my two cents. :)

Me also, It would be hard to do this great story in a anime style, as you can see, the way of story telling differ`s a great deal, as a fan of some anime I see that things just will not fit into the storyline .

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Mrs Brisby? , I think not .


Anime has great stories also, but just not in the style of western animation, the book "Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH" was just waiting to be made into a movie. And written on the other side of the ocean, "watership Down" (made in to a great movie also) is just another great story from another part of the world.

But still anime to me is a art form of it`s own, and being a member of AL, western animation and anime, we enjoy talking about and enjoying each others love for animation, in all types and makes of animation and stories ,



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and anime is good story telling in it`s own right. :)



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Well you know guys, "Anime" is a just an art style created by a man named Osamu Tezuka, who was inspired by Disney films and later gained popularity by bringing to Japan a new art-style which is now refered to as "Anime" to Americans. Writers on the other hand are a whole different story, it's not like if NIMH were being written by a Japanese writer that they would change it to something wacky or action pact or maybe of Japanese origin, if that's what this is all about.

As a matter of fact, if it's realism you're looking for, then maybe Ghibli studios can put together a feature film that can have the mice looking like mice and rats looking like rats, maybe stick to their characters, and with one of the best animation that almost equals to that of the old time Disney animation (as they have a history of being called the "Disney of the east".). Like in one of their titles called Pom Poko, which focses around the point of view of a group of raccon-like animals having their forest chopped down and try to do what they can to prevent. Tell me this isn't good quality animation for animals right here:
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Plus, now that they are in touch with new studios, count on the human designs to looking more like they would in real-life:
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I don't think even Ghibli could pull this one off. I mean, Spirited Away had great animation, and I've seen several others by Ghibli Films, but as far as I'm concerned, none of the art style in the entire line of oriental animation fits the bill for this movie and book the way it is. It's not that I lack vision, but every line of imagination that stemms from this thought results in a frown or a wrinkled nose. I simply have too much respect for "The Secret of NIMH" to see it (1) not only endure a recasting and remaking, but (2) also be done in an entirely different animation art format. :?

Plus... it'd kinda be like stabbing Don Bluth in the back. :(

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american aneme is rather interesting. having it done in japanese style well you can't honestly say it is bad until it is done. but nethier can you say it to be good. therefore i think on this paticular topic i shall remain nuetral. so if i seem to present evidence oposing your arguement it does not mean i disagree i just simply want to point out the arguement and i do this often.

I don't think even Ghibli could pull this one off. I mean, Spirited Away had great animation, and I've seen several others by Ghibli Films, but as far as I'm concerned, none of the art style in the entire line of oriental animation fits the bill for this movie and book the way it is.

Well it may not be perfect amongst the human designs, what I'm saying is that since the story focuses more around the animals than it is of humans you wouldn't have to look forward to seeing the anime style with the human characters as much. Even the movie doesn't show the human character all the way, just their hands, legs; the only full description we made out was the farmer, his son, and some NIMH employees rounding up the rats in the streets. The animal designs on the other hand, like I've shown above and comparing to many other Ghibli titles, are more realistic and therefore could have a positive look with the story of NIMH.

After all, it's not like Bluth invented the design of the Secret of NIMH, he merely animated it with his own design and made somewhat of an adaption story, the REAL artwork came from the cover. So what's so wrong for somebody else doing the same thing? Yes, I know some people got a little ahead of themselves with NIMH 2, but we're talking about a well-paid art studio here with the potential of making the animal characters more life-like, not to mention having more respect and effort they out into their work. Like I said, Brisby (Frisby) can look like a real mouse just like she does on the cover of the book. I truely see no other differense in background or object designs, so what other problem would their be.

It's not that I lack vision, but every line of imagination that stemms from this thought results in a frown or a wrinkled nose. I simply have too much respect for "The Secret of NIMH" to see it (1) not only endure a recasting and remaking, but (2) also be done in an entirely different animation art format. :?

Plus... it'd kinda be like stabbing Don Bluth in the back. :(

I understand that you don't like change very much, but to answer your statement for (1), nobody said they were going to remake it. I mean, that's what Don Bluth did in a way, he didn't base everything around the book's description (and no book-based movie would most likely ever will), so some of the character didn't portray themselves in a way that the they did in the book, therefore he remade a little. I also recall that Don had a budget to stick to, so since Ghibli seems to have quite a bit of money on their hands, they can probably put more work and time into the project than Buth did, and if they like, they'd probably go for what's more in the book as well.

As for (2), I don't think it would be considered "stabbing Don Bluth in the back". I see tons of people who make stories and draw fanart in their own style for both his movie and the book, and I don't think that would be consider stabbing him in the back. Even if they did remake some things, what's wrong with an adaption story? It didn't fail Bluth (well maybe in the box office) so why not give somebody else a chance?

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What about it? Ghibli studios helped with Ghost in the Shell: Innocence, that's a picture from it, yes, but my point is that they can make human designs realistic enough to make a three second appearnce in and out of the movie.

If you want to split hairs, fanart has no comparison to stabbing Don Bluth in the back because it's a fan's way of either attempting to adopt some of his style or acting in their imagination with some license.

I can see you're fairly adament about this. I don't think I'll ever understand why some people are so staunch about defending anime. It's not like one or two people who think it wouldn't be good in a particular area are going to ruin the market.

This is also one of those discussion that would turn into a fruitless debate. I opt to stand out of any more involvement with this conversation simply because I don't see it going anywhere. MGM didn't provide much funding for the original film and they did so poorly conjuring a sequel, I would be hard-pressed to imagine "anyone" with the market and value on their minds picking up this story anyway, no matter how much "we" like it.

And who said I don't like change? Is this one of those situations where people watch what you say and try and label you as "conformist" or "non-conformist" in either extreme? Come on, folks. :?

NOTE: If you look back in all of my postings, you will never see that I said anything was wrong with it. My primary point was, is and will continue to be, I do not believe them to be very compatible. The number of liked American stories that end up on the oriental animation board are few and far between. I simply don't see this going there. Am I condeming it? NO. Not to be rude, but please be careful that you don't put words into my mouth. I'm not bashing anything here.

If they ever did remake "The Secret of NIMH" or even made a different adaptation of "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH" (highly unlikely), I would go and see it. AND I would probably think it was a waste of time, except for the fact that it would give us all something to talk about besides the greatness of the original and the putridness of the sequel. Heck, I think it would be interesting. Simply put, I don't see it doing anything great for thr story.

In the end, the logistics of someone taking that kind of interest in "The Secret of NIMH" (even Studio Ghibli) is minute. It didn't do too well the first time and the book is being replaced in schools as required reading (steadily). It just wouldn't pan out in that sense. I think Studio Ghibli probably would know better than to pick up a project like this anyway.

And who said I don't like change? Is this one of those situations where people watch what you say and try and label you as "conformist" or "non-conformist" in either extreme? Come on, folks

I'm terribly sorry, perhaps I've chosen the wrong words, I didn't mean it that way. What I mean is, you're right, perhaps you are very respective to NIMH and don't seem to want any changes or alterations done to it.

If you want to split hairs, fanart has no comparison to stabbing Don Bluth in the back because it's a fan's way of either attempting to adopt some of his style or acting in their imagination with some license.

Yes that's true, I suppose I got a little ahead of myself on that one. However, I always think of the fans to be no different than the writers and artists who work in a studio, of course a studio has a lot more to do with copyright laws and the buying and switching of rights. Though, I don't think if one would want to to work on something that would be considered a "classic" with their own art style, would really count as ruining the work of the artists who made it unless they take every aspect to what made it good and switch it around to something unbeleivably different (Nimh 2).

Not that I'm saying it won't happen if an idea like Nimh being animated by a foreign studio would prevent this sort of thing from happening, but I always think of it as a matter of inspiration rather than spoiling something.

Of course, the reason I say all of this is mainly due to your "Stabbing Don in the Back" comment, I'm still not intirely sure what you meant by that if you didn't think there was anything wrong with it.

NOTE: If you look back in all of my postings, you will never see that I said anything was wrong with it. My primary point was, is and will continue to be, I do not believe them to be very compatible. The number of liked American stories that end up on the oriental animation board are few and far between. I simply don't see this going there. Am I condeming it? NO. Not to be rude, but please be careful that you don't put words into my mouth. I'm not bashing anything here.

Well when you said it would be like "stabbing Don in the back", it lead me to beleive you do find something wrong with it(what did you mean by that anyway if there wasn't a problem? Just curious.) not to mention you said that you respected NIMH too much to se it remade and recasted, so I think this shows SOME things you are not comfortable with, I really didn't mean to make it sound like you were "condeming" it or anything extreme. Not that I'm saying I don't recpect your opinion or saying it's wrong, everyone is entitled to their own views and opinons, I'm just saying that it might not be so bad and it could have a positive outlook.

However, yes, the book does seem to be less than frogoten in this whole issue rather than paying attention to the animated movie. Then again, it could happen, VERY unlikely, but it's possible.

Either way, I'm sorry if I mis-judged you, I guess I just took the wrong turn on my choice of words and maybe some looks on things.

I can see you're fairly adament about this. I don't think I'll ever understand why some people are so staunch about defending anime. It's not like one or two people who think it wouldn't be good in a particular area are going to ruin the market.

What? No, it's nothing like that, I'm not obsessing over anime or saying "you're wrong and anime is good", I'm just saying there could actually be some potential results. I wasn't really trying to be insulting or anything, and I'm sorry if I did, but I just feel that an idea like this could possibly have a positive view to it. Yes, I do strongly stick to my opinions, but it's not that I can't be convinced otherwise, I just like to debate and feel this discussion is worth...well...discussing.

Sure it IS out of the ordinary and it may seem that it won't work when you compare the style to certain shows, but if it were done the right way, in my opinion, it could very well work. Like I've said, the animal designs that Ghibli produces are quite on the style of a realistic view, and since this is a story about the point of view through animals, we could see that realism being played out in each scene. There may not be anything done to the human character, but since they lay less roled in the story, they can just have them being shown for only a second or two, or just show their hands and feet, as they don't mean much if they shown their faces or not. That way, we wouldn't see much of the known "anime" style.

This is also one of those discussion that would turn into a fruitless debate. I opt to stand out of any more involvement with this conversation simply because I don't see it going anywhere.

Well what you make of it is what you make of it. Of course, if this is about my resecent post, I assure I wasn't agitated or saying that anime is good and you should agree or anything of that fashion, I just always have some reasonable doubt to certain things. Again sorry if I offended you.

In the end, the logistics of someone taking that kind of interest in "The Secret of NIMH" (even Studio Ghibli) is minute. It didn't do too well the first time and the book is being replaced in schools as required reading (steadily). It just wouldn't pan out in that sense. I think Studio Ghibli probably would know better than to pick up a project like this anyway.

I would be hard-pressed to imagine "anyone" with the market and value on their minds picking up this story anyway, no matter how much "we" like it.

Yes, I know, just like the idea of NIMH being turned into an anime; not likely to happen. The whole point to the discussion is to fantasize what it would be like or if it were to ever succeed or not.

Plus, it never stopped Disney from turning an old cheaply animated Japanese show like Kimba and turning it into The Lion King or Japan's famous special effects and animation studio looking up an old American movie, Metropolis and making an award winning movie of classic style out of it, and by the same exact title. The same thing can happen again, just like how America is looking up old movies and books of different sorts and turning them into feature films.

I mean, Amtyville's first movie in 1979 didn't do too well either, yet, Hollywood still picked it up again or the 1980 Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series having a horribly short run and later picked up and turned into an awe-inspiring (as some may call it) movie.

If they ever did remake "The Secret of NIMH" or even made a different adaptation of "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH" (highly unlikely), I would go and see it. AND I would probably think it was a waste of time, except for the fact that it would give us all something to talk about besides the greatness of the original and the putridness of the sequel. Heck, I think it would be interesting. Simply put, I don't see it doing anything great for thr story.

Well you know, I think it depends in which direction it decides to take and in who's story we're talking about; would it perhaps be trying to be more like the book, would it be based off of Don's animated movie, or perhaps it would be another remake of the story, but like you've said, anything from the book is more less to be expected to appear if a project like this were under way.

Yes, it may not seem to offer all that much, but then again, we really wouldn't know if it were to ever be put to work. Like I said though, what you make of it is what you'd make of it, I suppose.

Again, sorry for all the confusion, misunderstandings, and so forth.

Yes, I know, just like the idea of NIMH being turned into an anime; not likely to happen. The whole point to the discussion is to fantasize what it would be like or if it were to ever succeed or not.

Well said, maxx. I'm pretty sure the topic poster was asking about what NIMH would be like if done in anime style, not whether anyone would do such a thing. I'd admit it'd be intriguing if it happened (though I, like Tortillian, doubt that it'd be better than the original). To me, anyway, a remake of NIMH (no matter who does it) has very little value; why redo something that's already done and done well? Personally, I think it'd be more interesting if one of these studios did a prequel or sequel, as long as we're pipe-dreaming... ;)

My apologies, Maxx. I tend to perceive wrongs where they were not intended, and I suppose I may have taken up offense that didn't belong to me. Honestly, I was wrong to take that stance and I ask your forgiveness for my hasty judgment. :)

I think my comment about stabbing Don in the back may have pointed out a very clear contradiction in my posts. I'll openly admit I probably took up an offense for Don's work that would likely have never come up. Thanks for calling me down on that bout of hypocrisy/contradiction. Please never hesitate to point out my flaws like that when you see them. I need to know what I need to work on. :)

If I remember correctly, I was trying to imply that any studio that took it upon themselves to remake "The Secret of NIMH" might be implying that Don Bluth had failed to achieve what the movie should have been. Now, I'm not an adament Don Bluth fan, but for some reason that stuck out in my mind, and I guess I perceived it as a possibility for the wrong approach to remaking it.

You're right, and you don't need to apologize. It wasn't my place to get offended if I did. And you should always be bold enough to carry your stance into the open. Truly, if everyone is against us or discrediting us, we definitely need to re-evaluate ourselves and our stance as a means of validating our stance. Still, we always need to be strong enough to hold in the face of opposition, knwoing that at least "somebody" will disagree with us. I praise you for your strong standing. :D

Now that I'm thinking about it more, a great many classics have been redone and redone and redone umpty-gazzillion times, and we just have to choose which one is our favorite. Granted, the vast majority aren't American works, but it would be foolish of me to exclude them for any reason.

Good points, one and all.

And a prequel... that gets me to thinking... I wonder if they would go into more detail about the many tests and progress the rats made in the laboratory. Although, anything very extensive in that area would contradict the movie in light of "Creaky Nicodemus'" account, you know? Still, my devotion is by far first to the book and then to the movie.

On that note: Simon, did Robin ever send you those pages from her old Robert C. O'Brien site? I posted about it a few days back and I understand you;re busy with college, but if you could I would die to have the information she gathered in those pages. Every search I do ends up in mostly broken links and torn down sites. I'm running out of venues for Robert C. O'Brien and "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH" material... :? I would appreciate any help you can offer in this area.

Apology accepted, that got a little out of hand there for a minute. Glad it's taken care of though.

Back to topic:

A prequel would be good at the moment. We now know the distant, yet embarassing, future of the NIMH storyline(that is if anyone is actually willing to count it as a sequel at all), now it's time to rewind back in time to how this whole thing began. Hopefully we won't have to look forward to the characters doing it in "sing-song" either, if you know what I mean.

They can have a short sequence in which we get to see how the rats lived their miserable lives in garbage-infested allies, then we jump to the NIMH facility after they're captured, and later we get to see into more detail how they escaped and found their way to the farmer's rose-bush and started the whole underground community.

That is of course, if the whatever studio decides to make this project doesn't think twice about double checking to see if there a sequel to take after or even consider it as part of the story. Between you and me, I wouldn't be looking forward to NIMH being a castle, the lack of logic with the electric chair, and and so.

max wrote: A prequel would be good at the moment. We now know the distant, yet embarassing, future of the NIMH storyline(that is if anyone is actually willing to count it as a sequel at all), now it's time to rewind back in time to how this whole thing began. Hopefully we won't have to look forward to the characters doing it in "sing-song" either, if you know what I mean.

They can have a short sequence in which we get to see how the rats lived their miserable lives in garbage-infested allies, then we jump to the NIMH facility after they're captured, and later we get to see into more detail how they escaped and found their way to the farmer's rose-bush and started the whole underground community.

I know what you mean, a prequel of NIMH done in japanese animation would lack the "song and dance every 15 mins (yay!) and this is something western animation cannot seem to break away from for the most part, I also think that they would keep a more mature and (dark if need be) storyline, as if to make the characters lean more to the the animal or human look in the animation would be up to the CO./Studios involed. The Rat`s story in the book has always fascinated me and I would love to see how it is brought to life, the SON movie was short on this part. Oh one more thing, NO! caterpillars please, can`t stand much more of that.

Osamu Tezuka (Mushi studios) !! That takes me back a bit, the first anime I saw in my life, was Astroboy in the early 1960`s (I was just a young pup then) and Kimba, I remembered as you spoke of it "the white lion" came later in the mid. 60`s I`m thinking, and one about a big robot controled by a boy, do`nt remember the name of it , but anywho that sparked a lot of memories. :D

Before that what is known us as "anime"today, has been around for some time, I never took the time to remember.
Just had to say that, and thanks Max.

Well, I don't mean to say anything offensive, and hope no one is too put off by my opinion, but I personally have to disagree on all the statements about Japanimation merely being "a different style good in its own right".

Of all the Japanimation I've seen, I've never seen anything that holds a candle up to the life-like realistically smooth and incredible animation of Disney movies. Have you ever seen brother bear? The animation is breathtaking. This one scene in the beginning of Sitka's fight with a grizzly was so incredibly lifelike and realistic. I have never seen any Japanese animation that compares at all with that.

And take our tv shows, have you ever watched Family Guy? I'd say the animation on that show is almost just as good as those in Disney movies. It's incredible, the animation is so smoothly flowing and lifelike in some scenes. The fight scenes are so great! When someone punches someone, you simply see them punch them, just like in real life.

...When someone punches someone in a Japanimation cartoon, you don't even see any movement, it's just a guy looking angry with big screwy looking eyes, then a bright flash and a still picture of a guy's face reeling back from a fist floating still in the air.

I think Japanimation is simply different because it is very cheap, poorly budgeted and made with far less skill and artistic talent than American animation. Now, I'll take your word for it that studios such as Gibli are starting to finally develop their skills and improve their style, but by far most other japanimation is unbelievably crude.

Fluctuating Pink circles to animate speech, completely still figures that hardly ever move, action sequences that only consist of still posed figures in front of flashy, seizure-causing backgrounds, entire camera-panning scenes of no motion whatsoever, it's incredibly primitive. It's like watching those reading rainbow storytelling sequences than pans across illustrated pages from the book, inset with one object moving every once in a while.

Of all the Japanimation I've ever seen before, I've never seen any that manages to create perfectly smooth, consistent motion that actually looks like real-life movement. It's always choppy, you can always see the seperate frames and tell that it's just very a poorly timed seccession of only too few still drawings. I hate to sound conceited, but when I was 12 I made a flip-book animation of a clock on the wall that melted into a liquid as it ticked, and its animation actually looked smooth and realistic, like real movement. If I could do it when I was 12, why can't any Japanese animators?

Now, I'll give them credit in this: Japan is the second wealthiest nation in the world, arising and flourishing out of the devastated remains of the post-world war 2 world into an extremely modern, wealthy and developed nation, and their electronics and technology outright exceeds the US, but I think more Japanese animators definitely need to take classes at American animation studios and learn from the masters, in order to help their unique art form and culture flourish in making richer animated entertainment.

Ooh wait! I forgot to mention!!!

There IS one particular Japanimation feature I do enjoy, and it is very fascinating. I will admit there are exceptions to what I was talking about in my criticism of Japanimation, and one is this. Despite most of the crudely animated garbage you see today (Yu-gi-oh, Dragonball, Inu-Yasha) ...Some of Japan's first animated features were actually very well animated with great talent, with Japanese animation studios arising out of the post-world war 2 world to flourish anew, many of their animators learned from American masters in animation and used both their newly learned skill in creating real high-quality animation and inputting their own cultural traditions and lore to produce the following feature:

http://www.animejump.com/index.php?module=prodreviews&func=showcontent&id=650

Please read about this cartoon, and if you can, see if you can find and buy this movie at Wal-Mart, they sell it for just a dollar, and it's pretty interesting, and has surprisingly high-quality animation that you just don't ever see anymore from Japan. It also has significant historical value, since it's the very first color animated feature to ever come out of Japan.

I never knew that this post was started as with one such as you, but any who, lets get on, the horror to you of japanese animation floors me, as one who was born in japan and was taken back to the states and return for a 4 year visit back, I`ve come to enjoy all forms of animation, So in the 1960`s I saw the BIG different between "Underdog" and "the Rocky and Bullwinkle show"and Astroboy and others,in my life to a kid, ( looking back today) the same old krap,60`s stiff animation we both had, japan and the USA . liThere is nothing new under the sunli. and as a memer of the coolist amime forms I disagree.

Well a most change in your other post , that most of them, just seems to go away , some of of I was repleying is gone , well what the F..k who knows, I`m spent . :cry:

Why so offended? Tell me where I'm wrong... Name one Japanese cartoon show that's as well animated as Family Guy, or Animaniacs, or Looney Tunes, or Brother Bear. I'm not being a close-minded Archie Bunker here, American Animation has had its stages of low-quality animation too, just look at Transformers, Thundercats, or Fat Albert. But they were still good shows, their plots and story and characters and everything made up for the poor animation... And don't get me wrong, some Japanese shows are allright, too. Cowboy Bepop's kinda cool, I guess.

One thing that offends me about Anime is that so much of it is adult content, be it obscenely prurient hentai (cartoon pornography) or absurdly bloody gratuitous violence, I just wonder how depraved the people must be that both demand and supply such filthy lowbrow entertainment. I heard that most of the shows shown for younger audiences here took years of editing to remove all of their adult content. Is it true that Dragonball and Inu Yasha were originally full of violence and sexual content?

No, no offence, just tired , why are we fighting , why am I fighting , great and beautiful stories and animation, why engage ourselves . :cry: .

Good question, I think we should all stop squabbling, get together and watch the greatest Japanimation cartoon of all time,

Panda and the Magic Serpent!!!

http://www.animejump.com/index.php?module=prodreviews&func=showcontent&id=650

No, no offence, just tired , why are we fighting , why am I fighting , great and beautiful stories and animation, why engage ourselves . :cry: .

It's hard to imagine you as sad/frustrated/offended or just plain upset with that avatar. :wink: :( You know?

Hehe, just like my avatar probably doesn't at all fit the conversation I opt to stick with. :P

Hey, Griz, you're from Texas, too? Bad out! It's cool seing another Texan in the midst, you know? Whereabouts are you posting from?

I haven't already said or beein informed of this in an earlier post, have I? :?

Speaking of living in Texas, how did everyone living nearer ti the coats do with Hurricane Rita?

Why so offended? Tell me where I'm wrong... Name one Japanese cartoon show that's as well animated as Family Guy, or Animaniacs, or Looney Tunes, or Brother Bear. I'm not being a close-minded Archie Bunker here, American Animation has had its stages of low-quality animation too, just look at Transformers, Thundercats, or Fat Albert. But they were still good shows, their plots and story and characters and everything made up for the poor animation...

One thing that offends me about Anime is that so much of it is adult content, be it obscenely prurient hentai (cartoon pornography) or absurdly bloody gratuitous violence, I just wonder how depraved the people must be that both demand and supply such filthy lowbrow entertainment.

Erm, Grizzly, you do realize that Transformers is a Japanese marketed anime too right? So here's one answer to your question about one show being like American animation and storytelling. One thing to remember about anime in the 60s, once it gets brought over to America, don't count on the companies that bought them ever giving any full explainations to where they came from, they'll more than likely try to steal the credit.

Just like with ROBOTECH(which was actually titled Macross), when American producers brought it over to America, the editing studio changed everything from plot, dialogue, to even the whole story into something completely different(they combined two different seasons together to make one whole series, and out of order too). Therefore, instead of printing the original artists who made the show in the credits, they replaced them all with the American writers and editors that made all the editing possible. They even announced over TV that they made and ran the whole show at one time, of course Once word gotten out to Japan they sued to no end.

I'd also like to add that Yu-Gi-OH and Dragon Ball Z were also hacked to peices as well. They weren't even meant for kids, it was actually aiming more at the teen and adult audiences, but still the networks buy them anyway and think "Hey, we can turn these action pact and adult themed cartoons and make it all fit for kids. That way we'll get more viewers and every action-crased fan out there. Come on, let's spend some money and earn more, lots more!". So they buy probably the most violent cartoon on the market, think it to also bring some sort of trading carf of some sort with it, and hack every single scene, dialogue, and story to unspeakable proportion. It's like taking somebody else's rated R movie and dubbing it down for youngsters and airing it on a kid's channel.

Not to mention, being that the DVD sales on anime are very low, mainly due to downloaders and the lack of response, a lot of studios are just going for the violent and less animated and story-like animes to hopefully bring in some attention to the fandom. Trust me, any anime with a gun, some blod, or half naked women in them, they'll buy them without questions asked. Movie studios are the only ones out there that buy the well-respected anime out there with wonderful animation and story to boot.

Japan also has a lower censor-ship rating than American does, so a lot more content can be put into the project. The Japanese also have a different usage of words; the word they use for(excuse me) "damn" or "damnit" is mainly best described as nothing but a normal word no different than "darn" or "dang". However, american translators or the editing studios can't seem to choose, so they just use it as just "damn" in many subtitles or scripts. Other language that might be considered a curse word here, doesn't really apply, or not as extreme, to the Japanese community. It's rather hard to explain, my sister knows more about this sort of thing than I do since she's been studying the language for three years, I'm merely a student who doesn't quite get it, comparing to here standards. Don't think of the Japanese entertainment world as infested with voilence or anything, it's just that they have a lot more content in which they've been getting used to for the past many years that they feel is suited for their children, which turns up completely different in America.

Now as for hentai, that is just another form of anime that's best described in a whole different category. It's their way of separating normal movies from pornoraphic ones, like in America. It's also not like as if it's the main title to anime, I mean I hardly ever see any at all in the anime sections because they're banned from quite a bit of stores, as a matter of fact, I think FRY's and Suncoast are probably the only video stores to willingly accept them.

In conclusion, this is mostly why you see everything anime on TV so action pact, the networks are hoping to drag in all the action fans by buying action pact anime and stuffing them all over the shelves, complete with altered stories, dialogue, and so forth. So if you have a problem with storytelling, content, and dialogue, you should check the American editing studios that butchered them or look up their REAL history first.

As for animation, well, I agree that a lot of the shows are not-so-well animated and very interesting in storyline except for the occassional few. To tell you the truth, I loathe all these new 90s to 2000 animes that have been popping up lately. I normally stick to 80s and anywhere below, the only new titles I'll accept are the theatrical ones. Come to think of it, the only main thing I ever watch of anime IS the theatrical movies, being that they are well animated and put together.

Hey, Griz, you're from Texas, too? Bad out! It's cool seing another Texan in the midst, you know? Whereabouts are you posting from?

I haven't already said or beein informed of this in an earlier post, have I?



Speaking of living in Texas, how did everyone living nearer ti the coats do with Hurricane Rita?

Yeah, man, I'm from the Baytown area.

I private messaged you asking about hurricane Rita, Maxx, I was asking how you were doing, because I heard Dayton got it pretty bad. On the way back after evacuating I saw alot of trees knocked over in Dayton. We were allright, didn't get much damage from Rita, just a few small trees and fence sections knocked over, house was fine, only lost two roof tiles, it was the disastrous evacuation traffic jams that was the worst part. I'm never evacuating again.

Well, I'd love to say more, but this is off topic, maybe we should start another thread about it?

Good question, I think we should all stop squabbling, get together and watch the greatest Japanimation cartoon of all time,

Panda and the Magic Serpent!!!

http://www.animejump.com/index.php?module=prodreviews&func=showcontent&id=650

Agreed, I had a very bad week and I thought a night on the forum would be relaxing,but I was wrong, sorry to let my horrible week flush in to this great forum and this is not my nature to act like this, forgive me every body, I do not speak in this mannor for the most part, I will not repent for my thoughts, but the way I brought them forth, is to my shame.
now onward,
My #1 anime "Visions of Escaflowne"

My #1 westren animation "The secert of NIMH" :D

Your link is amazing, it sounds like this is japan`s first-ever animated feature film, even pre-dates some of what I seen in the 60`s .

Just like with ROBOTECH(which was actually titled Macross), .

please it was not hack off one particular show but the hack of three macross southern crossand mospeada.
give credit to the other 2 stolen ideas
ps ha ha ha.

please it was not hack off one particular show but the hack of three macross southern crossand mospeada.
give credit to the other 2 stolen ideas
ps ha ha ha.

Yeah, sorry about that. I really need to brush up on my reading, from what I've been reading in articles(Anime Invasion Magazine) they only spoke of certain seasons beind switched and turned, but after closer analysis, yes, other unrelated shows were cought in the circle too.

please it was not hack off one particular show but the hack of three macross southern crossand mospeada.
give credit to the other 2 stolen ideas
ps ha ha ha.

Yeah, sorry about that. I really need to brush up on my reading, from what I've been reading in articles(Anime Invasion Magazine) they only spoke of certain seasons beind switched and turned, but after closer analysis, yes, other unrelated shows were cought in the circle too.

na i was just trying to add a little humar to a bit too serious a conversation. personally i like robotech and matcross. mostly because i watch robotech when iwas a kid then a matcross movie and thought then that matcross was based off robotech but when i got older i looked it up and found that not to be the case. but i still dont care i mean it is kind of hard to stop liking a good idea even a stolen one he he he.