NIMH's Christmas Carol???

Domo! (Me again. I'm enjoying this forum a lot! Sorry.)

Okay. Here's an idea I thought of like a minute ago.

If NIMH characters were to do what they did in "Mickey's Christmas Carol" (Characters playing the "Chrismas Carol") Who would do who?

I know. This is not a topic for the middle of June. I couldn't wait until the holidays.

Sorry for the people who don't celebrate christmas. And Sorry for people who think it's a strange idea.

I won't show my idea until people post. I'm deciding by what everybody thinks so that I won't have to sound stupid. :lol:

One character I am confident about...

Tiny Tim - Timmy

Yoroshiku!

Jonathan Brisby was dead to begin with…

Heh, heh. It may not be the season, but this is an interesting little topic. I think this would work so well! Certain liberties regarding the original text may have to be taken, but if Disney and the Muppets can do it, then NIMH would work much better. Here's the layout:

My initial thoughts were to have Jenner as Scrooge, but maybe Mr Ages would be better. Nicodemus or the Great Owl may also fit the bill, but I think Mr. Ages would have to be your main choice. Suffice to say Mr Ages as scrooge with Jonathan Brisby as Marley or (if you want to keep it as rats) have Jenner as Scrooge and Nicodemus as Marley. I however will continue with the Mr. Ages as Scrooge option.

Now HolyArrow has already (and quite rightly) stated that Timothy should be Tiny Tim, and Mrs. Brisby and the rest of the Brisby family would play the Cratchits (if you want to keep some of the NIMH lore in there, wouldn't it be worse if Mr. Ages, even though he knew Jonathan, didn't want to help out his widow and her family). Bob Cratchit's role would have to go begging (unless you went for the Jenner/Nicodemus Combo in which case Jonathan could be resurrected to be Bob).

So Mr. Age's grumpiness is well known in the field and he is suitably nasty to well meaning individuals. Maybe Sullivan can come and ask for scraps for the poor. Then again… maybe not. Anyway the Miscellaneous rats can go in here as charity collectors. Come the winter (a particularly harsh one for the Brisby family), he is visited by the ghost of Jonathan, saying he will be visited by three more spirits, etc…

So… Who's for which spirit?

Christmas past (probably have to be Winter Festival for the creatures on the farm) is a slightly melancholy spirit. Maybe go for Nicodemus in here? He's not really suited well to this role, but no one is. Jenner may do it, if he doesn't get involved later, but he seems too evil for my mind (oh, if you are still imagining Jenner/Nicodemus… maybe the Great Owl can take over here). Maybe you could take one of the Brisby children as the spirit… It's tricky this one. If we go with Nicodemus he can take Mr. Ages back to NIMH to relive those early days (as Scrooge went back to his school days). Fezziwig would I guess go to Justin (he seems the kind of fellow who would throw a good party).

Anywho… Christmas present is a jolly if forgetful fellow. Maybe Jeremy? Yeah, let's go down that route. It's meant to be the slightly more lighthearted section of the story, so I think this will work.

The sinister spirit of Christmas yet to come. Hmmm. How's about the Great Owl? Dragon (as neither he or the spirit say anything)? Or Brutus for that matter! Jenner could also do this job, though he doesn't seem like the sort who'd get involved with a project like this. He is actually evil and wouldn't want to play this game. The Shrew could be one of the people speaking ill of the late Mr. Ages ("That old flim-flam"). Sullivan could go in here as another individual if he wasn't used earlier. Maybe if either the Great Owl or Jenner took on this role, the 'grave' that Mr. Ages (as Scrooge) is shown by the spirit could be Dragon's food bowl. Hee hee.

Anyway, after all that Mr. Ages would be a changed mouse. Looking out from his home in the old thresher he'd look down and see a small child (Cynthia perhaps?) Upon realising there's still time to make amends he then makes the medicine for Timothy, raids his larder, and makes his way over to the Brisby home for a good old fashioned happy ending.

Therefore the cast list would be:

Scrooge: Mr. Ages
Marley: Jonathan Brisby
Mrs. Cratchit: Mrs. Brisby
The Cratchit Kids: the Brisby Kids
The Ghost of Christmas past: Nicodemus
The Ghost of Christmas present: Jeremy
The Ghost of Christmas yet to come: Brutus
Mr. Fezziwig: Justin
People beaing nasty about Scrooge (share between visions of present and future): Auntie Shrew, Sullivan and Jenner (if he stops being villainous for a bit and joins in the fun).

The only one I really can't think of a place for is the Great Owl. Maybe he can be stuck in the background somewhere... The STone doesn't go in either. Ah well...

The thing that makes this so good though is couldn't you just imagine the atmosphere of NIMH working so well with the Christmas Carol story? The characters would be able to pull this off so well. Well... Those're my thoughts anyway. Once again, super post HolyArrow!

The sinister spirit of Christmas yet to come. Hmmm. How's about the Great Owl? Dragon (as neither he or the spirit say anything)? Or Brutus for that matter! Jenner could also do this job, though he doesn't seem like the sort who'd get involved with a project like this. He is actually evil and wouldn't want to play this game. The Shrew could be one of the people speaking ill of the late Mr. Ages ("That old flim-flam"). Sullivan could go in here as another individual if he wasn't used earlier. Maybe if either the Great Owl or Jenner took on this role, the 'grave' that Mr. Ages (as Scrooge) is shown by the spirit could be Dragon's food bowl. Hee hee.

You forgot the part where the ghost of Christmas yet to come shows Mr. Ages the Brisby family mourning over Timothy's grave, because he refused to make/get him the medicine Tim needed. ;)

The only one I really can't think of a place for is the Great Owl. Maybe he can be stuck in the background somewhere... The STone doesn't go in either. Ah well...

I can't think of anything for the stone (really, I don't think it'd belong in this story anyway), but the Great Owl might have some part of Mr. Ages' past, perhaps? I wonder if Mr. Ages would've had a romance that fell apart back then, too...

I wonder who would play nephew Fred? ;)

Anyway, brilliant post. It'd be interesting to see someone actually run with this idea. ;)

You forgot the part where the ghost of Christmas yet to come shows Mr. Ages the Brisby family mourning over Timothy's grave, because he refused to make/get him the medicine Tim needed.

Heh. That would be the clincher wouldn't it? "Did Timmy die because I didn't make the medicine, spirit?" asks Mr. Ages. The Ghost of Christmas yet to come remains ostensibly silent as he looks mournfully on...

...the Great Owl might have some part of Mr. Ages' past, perhaps? I wonder if Mr. Ages would've had a romance that fell apart back then, too...

Hmmm. Very possibly. The more I think about it the more I think the Great Owl could be the Ghost of Christmas yet to come. With all the cobwebs hanging off his wings, the limp, and the ability to turn his head upside down he's already pretty creepy. Then Brutus could be Fred, heh heh. Then again maybe not...

And I think a failed romance for Mr. Ages would indeed be necessary (both for the character and the story). There must be a reason why he's so crotchety. Maybe it went back to before NIMH. This is where the crossover would require some ingenuity, to tie in NIMH lore with the Christmas Carol story. And it would indeed be great to see someone try and write this.

Tsumari... (Soooo...)

If I were to write a crossover with "Christmas Carol" and "The Secret of NIMH", should I use a good amount of NIMH elements (like the stone.)???

'Cause if I'm lucky, this might be my first NIMH fan fic (Maybe...)

Here's my idea.

Taking all of the casting the Procyon made up and think about what would happen. A good way to kind put NIMH elements in this story is probably to just forget the "Christmas" and make the situation the same. So basically Mr. Ages is an unkind old mouse who has forgotten all of the team work from NIMH. Johnathan then dies.

Now Johnathan is a big issue. My idea was to use Johnathan as Bob Cratchit (I wanted to put the Brisby family completely as the Cratchit family). But Procyon casted Johnathan as Marley. I really like this idea and it makes more sense. So my idea was to have Johnathan actually be Bob Cratchit... but have him be the one that is dead and tells Mr. Ages that 3 spirits are coming to visit. So in other words, "Jacob Marley" and "Bob Cratchit" will be the same person in the crossover. But Bob is an important part of the real world. And we can't just have Mrs. Brisby work for Mr. Ages. Leave that to me.

Now for the spirits.
If I am putting NIMH elements in this story, I might as well use procyon's idea of reminding Mr. Ages the story of NIMH. (After all, he was the one that taught Mrs. Brisby about NIMH) Justin was major in the book. He might not be the person who would make up a jolly place, but he could be something similar. Mr. Ages' love could be one of the mice that were blown away. The ghost of Christmas present would be Jeremy. He could take Mr. Ages to the cinder block and show Mr. Ages the brisby family and how Timmy is sick. The ghost of future is a very tough one. Jenner could do it. But so can Brutus, and so can the Great Owl. But since Mr. Ages is shown that he died, Jenner wouldn't do that, I don't think Brutus would either. So the Great Owl would be it.

The Charity collector is Sullivan like Procyon said once.

There are two more issues that I need to solve.

One is who to cast Mr. Ages' nephew as. One easy way to solve it is not to have this character in the story. Another is to make an original nephew. But the problem is that having just one original character's kinda wierd. This issue will be thought of later.

Now for the final and most important issue. The Stone.
The stone glows from courage of the heart in the movie. I could change it into "Kindness of the heart: or something like that.
Hmm, Johnathan (As Cratchit/Marley) could give Mr. Ages the stone and when he changes at the ending it can glow. I don't know. That's the only thing I can think of.

There are 3 character that don't have a part yet. They are Auntie Shrew, Brutus, and Jenner. I will think about them later.

So. This is the idea I have now. What do you think?

It would be great if you gave the story a go. It works so well it would be a shame if no one tried to put it together. I'm glad you liked my casting suggestions too.

A good way to kind put NIMH elements in this story is probably to just forget the "Christmas" and make the situation the same. So basically Mr. Ages is an unkind old mouse who has forgotten all of the team work from NIMH.

That seems like a great idea. Just take "A Christmas Carol" as the foundation for a story, right? You may find that as you are writing this fanfic it will take on a life of its own. I also think that you picked the right direction to take it in (ie. basing it on "A Christmas Carol" and not sticking rigidly to the original).

So my idea was to have Johnathan actually be Bob Cratchit... but have him be the one that is dead and tells Mr. Ages that 3 spirits are coming to visit. So in other words, "Jacob Marley" and "Bob Cratchit" will be the same person in the crossover.

That works really well. Just to clarify, you are going to use the NIMH names, aren't you?

Mr. Ages' love could be one of the mice that were blown away.

That is -very- good. I feel you'll do a good job on this story.

I would agree that Fred (the nephew) is a headache what with there being no corresponding NIMH character. Mind you, Justin could do the job. He's like Fred in character (in that he's an upbeat chap) and can go round to Mr. Ages to invite him to a midwinter feast at the Rosebush (or Thorn Valley). Mr. Ages gives him the old 'bah, humbug' routine, so Justin leaves. Then the ghost of Christmas present shows Mr. Ages the rats having a good time at their feast and saying how they all think that Mr. Ages has gone a bit funny recently (or something like that). You could do original characters, but to me it feels a little like cheating, but that's your decision and if you do it well it could be a real boon to your fanfic.

There are also plenty of bit parts in the book of "A Christmas Carol" so I'm sure you'll find somewhere to fit Auntie Shrew, Jenner and Brutus along the way. I would, however agree with Simon and say that the Stone may just be a distraction and it may be worth ignoring it for the purposes of to your fanfic.

Good luck with this! Can’t wait to see it.

I'm thinking that the spirit of Christmas Yet to come could possibly be one of the NIMH scientists, since that spirit was always one that inspired fear and remained silent. The future is recapture by NIMH if he doesn't change his ways?

I'm thinking that the spirit of Christmas Yet to come could possibly be one of the NIMH scientists, since that spirit was always one that inspired fear and remained silent. The future is recapture by NIMH if he doesn't change his ways?

Hmm...You may be right Chris, The dark side of the story is the rats worst fears, Having to return to the hell of NIMH I think that is a great add on,It could be some meat in the soup of the story,:wink:
But a FanFic can go many ways, I do like Propcyon`s take on Justin as the nephew, I will be interested to read this one of Holy Arrow`s FanFic ...,go get`m do`nt let anybody stop you It`s a new crossover that most of us never thought of :)

Also:, I never like the dude of yet to come anyways :evil:

PS: I enjoyed your fanfics Chris :D

Another possible way to do the story without the problems of figuring out who's related to who is to have it be a story within a story. At Thorn Valley, they're doing Christmas Carol as a play, updating it with their own cultural experiences, so it wouldn't matter if rats or mice play the various roles.


Glad you liked the stories, Whiskers.

I'm thinking that the spirit of Christmas Yet to come could possibly be one of the NIMH scientists, since that spirit was always one that inspired fear and remained silent.

That is a really good idea. There would be a scaling problem with a human scientist and a little mouse like... Hey, no! Wait a minute! You could actually do this scene as if Ages was back in a NIMH lab or something. Do it as if they've all (and by all I mean all/most of the creatures from the original story/movie) been recaptured by NIMH and blaming Ages. It could get quite dark, but that could be a very good thing. There would still be issues, but that is certainly an idea worth exploring.

Another possible way to do the story without the problems of figuring out who's related to who is to have it be a story within a story. At Thorn Valley, they're doing Christmas Carol as a play, updating it with their own cultural experiences, so it wouldn't matter if rats or mice play the various roles.

Heh heh. Another cool idea, but it may conflict with some of what has been said before. Still it seems a shame not to use it as it would work so well. You can just imagine a rat going to one of the copied human texts in the library and thinking it would make a great play... etc... Hmmm. Over to you HolyArrow. Good luck with this!

Making it a play would be a great idea. This is because I started writing the story a little bit where Mr. Ages refuses to make medicine for Timmy (the one that someone talked about earlier...). But the problem was that if I put too much NIMH elements in the crossover, it would make no sense at all. I mean why does he have to refuse when he didn't in the past? So making it a play would be very nice. But here are the problems about actually making it a play. One is, should I make this after the story where the brisby's move to Thorn Valley and where Johnathan is alive (like NIMHmuck)? Or should I make it totally after the ovie where Nicodemus and Sullivan and Jenner would be dead. Those are three characters I can't put and niether can I the Great Owl, and also the idea of The Ghost of Christmas Future being a NIMH scientist.

Any advice?

Well, for the different characters in the play, they could just wear costumes to play the different characters. I don't think they'd use Jonathan out of respect for Mrs. Brisby, but Nicodemus, Jenner and the owl or even a scientist, they could simply dress for the role.

the 'grave' that Mr. Ages (as Scrooge) is shown by the spirit could be Dragon's food bowl. Hee hee.

BWAHAHAH! That's so wrong! :D